Hey, consider this listeners, it's Audie Cornish, it's Sunday, we've got a bonus episode for you,

and this one comes from NPR Member Station, WBZ in Chicago. They've got a podcast over there

called Art of Power. It's about people who have wielded power in sometimes unexpected,

sometimes traditional ways, but also in ways that have changed the world in which we live.

And in this particular episode, that person is Barack Obama.

Art of Power host Arthi Shahani spoke with the former president about feminism, balancing personal

and professional ambitions, and what it means to him to be a man. Here's that episode of Art of Power

from WBZ. Be a man. What it means to be a man is an open and contentious question.

Dymetrically opposed models of manhood are battling it out everywhere from the home up to the American

presidency, which man wins will fundamentally reshape the world.

So I decided to call a guy you may know to talk about it.

We're very comfortable, I think, insane to girls. You can do anything you want.

You know, you can be girly, you can be a tomboy, you can be ambitious, you can be more reserved.

With bullies, we still say sports, money, physical strength, girls.

It's, it's, which chimp has the most bananas?

Today on Art of Power, president Barack Obama occupies extremes in the public eye.

He is widely seen as the alpha among alpha males, the bro who plays basketball, the leader of the

pack. He is also the first American president to call himself a feminist raised by strong women,

married to a strong woman. During his presidency, he legislated for women's rights.

After his presidency, he's shifting focus to the inner life of men and boys, among the most

prominent men on earth. He is pushing to redefine manhood itself away from domination and toward

caretaking. Hello there. Hi, how are you, RT? I'm very good, president Obama.

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