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You have now been convicted.

Have you learned anything?

Would you do anything differently next time?

Ari, for better, for worse, I'm going to be a figure

in history in a landmark Supreme Court case.

And the question really before us is whether the legislative branch can compel a senior

White House aide and alter ego with the president to testify before Congress.

And going back to George Washington, the answer has been a resounding no.

And the DOJ, the Department of Justice, has had a more than 50 year policy of absolute

testimony immunity for folks like me.

So I am willing to go take this up, the chain, the appeals court, probably to the Supreme

Court to resolve this issue because it's so important, not just it's a bipartisan concern.

If you don't have the constitutional separation of powers, Ari, you cannot have effective

efficient candid presidential decision.

That sounds a bit like a note of me that you're saying having been convicted and facing

possible prison time, you're going to appeal and you stand with those arguments, okay?

Since we last spoke, other people, as you know, have been indicted for charges related

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