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EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder

BONUS / A False Dichotomy: Airborne versus Droplet / Roxanne Khamsi and Lydia Bourouiba

EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder

KFF Health News and Just Human Productions

Science, #Coronavirus, Health & Fitness, #Smallpox, Documentary, #Covid19, #Sarscov2, #Eradication, Life Sciences, Society & Culture, #Covid, Medicine

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2020

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

On March 14, 2020, Roxanne Khamsi published an article in Wired magazine: "They Say Coronavirus Isn't Airborne—but It's Definitely Borne By Air." https://www.wired.com/story/they-say-coronavirus-isnt-airborne-but-its-definitely-borne-by-air/ In today's episode, Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Roxanne and Dr. Lydia Bourouiba, an Associate Professor at MIT who directs the Fluid Dynamics of Disease Transmission Laboratory. They speak about the difference between airborne and droplet, and what that means for the safety of healthcare workers and the precautions that individuals should be taking. They also discuss the science behind the 6-feet social distancing guideline, which is based on models that predict how far droplets travel in air, and the flaws in these models that may vastly underestimate how far the virus can travel. “I wanted to know what airborne meant. What does the word airborne actually mean when scientists and biologists talk about it? Because I detected that there was a debate underlying the debate. In other words, I felt that there were people debating whether it was airborne, but part of me felt that there wasn't even consensus about what the word airborne meant. And that that could be a huge problem in both scientists talking amongst themselves, but also about the public understanding of the transmission of this disease.” -Roxanne Khamsi This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in part, by listeners like you. #SARSCoV2 #COVID19 #COVID #coronavirus

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0:00.0

I'm Dr. Saline Gounder and this is epidemic. In this episode we're going to talk about

0:11.0

research that raises a troubling question.

0:13.0

How is the novel coronavirus transmitted?

0:16.0

One of the most reassuring things we hear from experts is that it's not airborne.

0:21.0

Which we think means you can only catch it by touching something, a surface

0:25.5

that's got the virus on it, so you wash your hands a lot and you think you'll be

0:30.3

okay. But last weekend Wired magazine ran a story with the headline, They Say

0:35.6

Coronavirus isn't airborne, but it's definitely born by air. It turns out airborne is a very technical term in this context.

0:45.0

As the Wired story lays out, researchers who look hard at the details of how viruses travel in the

0:50.5

air, stay in the air, and potentially cause infections through the air, say there's

0:55.8

reason for concern.

0:57.5

I should say at the outset that this doesn't mean we should all be panicked about just

1:01.5

walking around, especially outside.

1:04.5

But people who spend a lot of time in indoor environments with a lot of sick people, like

1:09.3

health care workers, may have a lot to be concerned about, especially because this country doesn't have a great supply of respirator masks and other personal protective equipment.

1:19.0

In the trade, we call it PPE.

1:22.0

So that's a worry for health care workers and for anybody who hopes that

1:25.9

health care workers stay well themselves to care for people who get sick. I've got the author of that

1:32.0

Wired story Roxanne Com, and one of the scientists whose work she

1:35.7

explores, Lydia Bariba, an MIT professor who directs the Fluid Dynamics of Disease Transmission

1:41.7

Lab.

1:42.7

I started by asking Roxanne how she became aware of Lydia's work.

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