Hi, everyone. It's me, Madison McGee from Ice Cold Case. I am here to share a bonus episode with you that I am really excited about this year at CrimeCon in Denver, Colorado. Me and my wonderful friend, you may know him, Josh Mankowitz from Dateline, sat down to do a session together again. This is our second time meeting at

a crime con to do a session and there were updates on the case and new conversations and our

friendship has evolved over the last year so we know each other better. And it is a really fun, exciting conversation.

And it was really an honor to have that in front of a live audience at CrimeCon and get to meet so many people and so many of you.

So I wanted to share the live recording from that session and let you know that I am also going back to CrimeCon this year, 2026.

I will be in Vegas for CrimeCon.

I'm really excited if you would like to go.

You can use Code Ice Cold Case to get 10% off of your ticket.

I hope to see you there.

And without further ado, here is my live session from 2025 CrimeCon with Josh Mancovic.

CrimeCon attendees, welcome to the creator studio.

For our first session, please welcome from the podcast, Ice Cold Case, host Madison McGee, and Dateline's Josh Mankowitz.

Music and Datelines Josh Mankowitz. Oh, thanks. Oh. It's always so jarring to hear your own voice. Don't you feel that way? Yes. Yes. Well, I've always hated my voice, which is weird because it seems to have helped me in recent years, but I've still. I've always hated my voice, which is weird because it seems to have helped me in recent years, but I've still always hated.

People cannot hear me.

How about that?

There we go.

Perfect.

Good.

Perfect.

Thank you.

We can hear us.

So, hi, everybody. I'm Josh Manikowitz, and I'm here with Madison. Now,

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