A bomb in the night, your heart fills with dread, probably a murder of who wants you dead.

It could be a ghost, a demon or worse, perhaps you're the victim of a witch's curse.

It's hopeless, You're doomed.

You'd call a priest if you could.

You'd rather just listen to Who?

Sinisterhood.

I'm going to kill you.

Well, welcome everybody today.

We are talking with Jen Miller, journalist, author of five books, and the reporter and co-producer behind Blood Will Tell the new limited series podcast from Wondery and Camp Sign Media.

Jen's work has appeared in the New York Times, Washington Post and many other esteemed publications.

She holds both an MFA and fiction and a master's in journalism from Columbia.

She has also spent the last decade running the Senior Media Fellows Program at the American Immigration Council, helping over a thousand people tell their own immigration stories and their own words.

The story that brought us here today started with a Washington Post assignment about Shakespeare being used in therapy and has ended with this rabbit

hole that led to the creation of blood will tell covering the true story of 18-year-old, Anne and Trong,

Vietnamese-American, identical twin brothers in San Jose, California, and a birthday party that turned fatal.

Thanks for being with

this, Jen. Oh, thank you guys for having me and for that wonderful introduction.

Thank you so very much. Thank you so much. So you first encountered Trung while researching a piece

about Shakespeare in healing in prisons, which is so, at what moment did you realize this was something

much larger than the original story? And did any part of you hesitate to follow it?

So great questions. So I was at San Quentin Penitenti. I was reporting on this prison-based Shakespeare troop, and they were

rehearsing the final act of Othello. And Trung, I had wanted to speak with someone who was getting out soon.

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