Pushkin.

Hey Dream listeners, if you like this podcast, you're going to love the book.

Yeah, I wrote a book.

It's called Selling the Dream.

And it's coming out March 12, 2024 on Atria.

It's about all of your favorite characters from MLMs and some that you've never even heard of, I hope.

Check it out.

Hey Dream listeners, Jane here with one of two bonus episodes.

This season on the dream we looked into the world of life coaching.

And on today's show, we're going to hear from now world famous

former life coach, Sarah Edmondson.

Have you heard of her? She and her partner Nippy

were featured prominently in the documentary The Vow on HBO. It's all about the

Nexium Life Coaching MLM turned creepy criminal cult.

Sarah was once a devotee of its leader Keith Renieri, but after some horrific events,

including Sarah being branded, they became whistleblowers.

Obviously, Sarah's experience with the group didn't start out that terribly,

and I was curious, like, how do you go from having really great intentions, wanting to help others, wanting to improve your own life, to, you know, being in a terribly scary, awful, cult.

If you could just start by telling me your name and a little about yourself. Sure, but first can I say it's a dream come true?

To be on the show. It's a dream come true for me to be talking to you. I'm like I was obsessed with the documentary. Well anyway why don't you tell us your name? Oh sure yeah and where you're from and all of that stuff.

Sure my name is Sarah Edmondson I'm from Vancouver Canada originally I now live in Atlanta Georgia.

I was in a cult for 12 years didn't know it was didn't know it was a personal and professional development

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