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The Rich Roll Podcast

Bonnie Tsui On Why We Swim

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.8 • 12.9K Ratings

🗓️ 18 January 2021

⏱️ 133 minutes

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Summary

Unlike other land mammals, humans are not natural-born swimmers. Our evolutionary ancestors learned for survival. Now it’s one of the most popular activities in the world. So why do we swim? What is it about water that seduces us despite its dangers? A lifelong swimmer reared by swimming parents, this week’s guest couldn’t shake this question. What she discovered is far more compelling than you might imagine. Bonnie Tsui (@bonnietsui) is an alumnus of Harvard University, where she did not swim but instead rowed crew—and graduated magna cum laude in English and American Literature and Language. In 2009, her book American Chinatown: A People’s History of Five Neighborhoods won the 2009-2010 Asian/Pacific American Award for Literature and was a San Francisco Chronicle bestseller and Best of 2009 Notable Bay Area Books selection. She has been the recipient of the Lowell Thomas Gold Award for travel journalism and the Jane Rainie Opel Young Alumna Award at Harvard University. In 2017, she was awarded the 2017 Karola Saekel Craib Excellence in Food Journalism Fellowship by the San Francisco Chapter of Les Dames d’Escoffier. She is also the recipient of a 2019 National Press Foundation Fellowship. A frequent contributor to The New York Times and California Sunday magazine, Bonnie’s latest book—and the focus of today’s conversation—is Why We Swim. Propelled by stories of Olympic champions, a Baghdad swim club that meets in Saddam Hussein’s palace pool, modern-day Japanese samurai swimmers, and even an Icelandic fisherman who improbably survives a wintry six-hour swim after a shipwreck, Bonnie dives into the deep, from the chilly San Francisco Bay to the South China Sea, investigating the ancestry and essence of water’s allure. Widely lauded, Why We Swim was named to TIME magazine’s list of 100 Must-Read Books of 2020. It’s also received praise from The New York Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Los Angeles Times, NPR, Buzzfeed, Bustle, Booklist, Kirkus, and more. Beautifully written and completely immersive, it definitely ranks among my 2020 favorites—I couldn’t put it down. So let’s talk about it. This conversation is a love letter to swimming—a sport, lifestyle and obsession that Bonnie and I share. It’s a deconstruction of humanity’s relationship with the transformative power of water—an archeological dig that unearths mankind’s historic and fraught yet undeniably alluring connection with the sea. It’s about swimming as a means of survival. It’s about swimming as a conduit for well-being, competition, and community. It’s about the unique power of water—when combined with breath—to produce that elusive state called flow. But underneath it all, this is a conversation about why to be a swimmer is to be a seeker. FULL BLOG & SHOW NOTES: bit.ly/richroll574 YouTube: bit.ly/bonnietsui574 It was an absolute delight to share space and passion with a woman who hopes, as Oliver Sacks writes in Water Babies, to “swim till I die.” I concur with that idea. This conversation sheds light on why. Peace + Plants, Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Swimming in my life has changed over time.

0:05.0

I mean, it has played different roles, but especially over the last year, I think about

0:10.2

getting a water as such relief, like, flotation, weightlessness, and unburdening, I think,

0:16.8

is really what happens physically and mentally, emotionally, I think.

0:22.4

You know, you can't help but respond to the medium in that way.

0:26.0

It's so profound from this fire hose, a barrage of badness in the world, you know, I think

0:35.0

just to have a momentary pause from that, a relief from that is just, you know, it's

0:41.6

such a gift because it's so easy to do, and yet not everyone does it.

0:47.0

I'm Bonnie Toy and this is the Rich Roll Podcast.

1:03.0

Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast.

1:05.0

Did I mention that Bonnie Toy is here?

1:08.2

Not only is she wonderful, she's here to discuss my very favorite subject, swimming, and

1:14.8

more broadly, the allure of water.

1:18.6

Why, despite its dangers, it seduces us and the evolutionary psychology behind how it

1:26.0

went from being this thing that we related to only in terms of survival, this thing we

1:33.0

just tried to survive, into one of the world's most popular activities, a thing that we seek

1:39.4

out.

1:40.4

But first, okay, Bonnie, lifelong swimmer, magna, cum laude graduate of Harvard, Bonnie

1:56.8

is also a contributor to publications like The New York Times.

2:01.4

She's the author of a book called American Chinatown, a people's history of five neighborhoods,

2:07.4

which won a whole slew of very fancy awards, and her new book Why We Swim has also been

2:14.4

widely lauded, including being named to Time Magazine's list of the 100 Must Read Books

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