Welcome to the Jefferson Fisher podcast. I've brought you somebody who is not only a personal friend, but somebody you need to listen to. If you're listening to this podcast, I know you do it because you want to improve the next conversation. Well, this is somebody who's going to help you do that. This is Vanessa Van Edwards. If she looks familiar to you, it's probably because she's been everywhere. If she's been on anything, it's a million

podcasts and for a good reason. Vanessa is a behavioral investigator, is I think the way she would

describe it. She is an author of several books. She's the founder of Science of People. It's a wonderful

website that we're going to be talking about later of how to get into that and get more classes

from her her all about

how do you talk about charisma how do you improve first impressions how do you deal with behavior

in a conversation that's going to help you enrich your life Vanessa thanks for coming

thanks for having me it's so good to see you even through the screen I I was saying earlier, it takes a podcast for us to see each other again.

Vanessa and her husband are wonderful and have big good friends throughout this whole experience while I'm going.

Hey, Vanessa, you've been on this podcast. How was it? How's it going? What are you doing?

And Vanessa is the, she's for sure the veteran. She's the pro in this podcast. How was it? How's it going? What are you doing? And Vanessa is the, she's for sure

the veteran. She's the pro in this space. As someone once told me yesterday, oh, you know, you've just

had an overnight success. And I'm like, if overnight success is doing a video a week for 17 years,

then yes, I've had overnight success. For sure.

Vanessa, in this podcast, in this episode, I really want to hone in on some of what I already

know is your expertise, and some of the people listening may not know about it.

When you meet somebody for the first time, as a stranger, walking up, you shake their hand, you say hello, what are some of the first time as a stranger walking up you shake their hand you say hello what are

some of the first things we look for where do i eyes go when we are trying to connect with somebody

that we don't know yes you know this was a startling news for me as a recovering awkward person. I'm a recovering

awkward person and just have had always had trouble connecting with people, which is what got

me into those work in the beginning. And as an ambivert, somewhere in between introvert and extrovert,

I always thought that my first impression happened the moment I started talking. So in a meeting

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