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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Layers of Evidence Paint, Blood, and a Courtroom Drama

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

True Crime, News

3.97.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

In a chilling twist of events, Annamarie Cochrane Rintala is found dead, her stiff body soaked in both paint and blood.

The spouse, Cara Rintala, finds herself in a situation that marks a legal first in Massachusetts—a woman charged with the murder of her wife. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the perplexing nature of the evidence, from the viscosity of paint and blood to the subtleties of rigor mortis. Morgan discusses the troubling aspects of multiple trials and the contentious role of so-called experts in courtroom drama.

The hosts also scrutinize the telltale signs of asphyxial death and the importance of scientific validation in legal cases.

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Time-coded Highlights:

  • 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan starts by revealing his love for art and its connection to forensic science. He even touches on its relevance in motor vehicle accidents.
  • 00:02:41 — Morgan mentions that the accused is facing trial for an unprecedented fourth time.
  • 00:03:22 — Dave Mack announces the historical context; it’s the first case in Massachusetts where a wife is charged with murdering her wife.
  • 00:04:31 — Mack offers a rundown on the turbulent relationship between Annamarie Cochrane Rintala and Cara Rintala, including debt, jealousy, and exhausting work hours. He describes the crime scene, which is filled with a mixture of paint and blood.
  • 00:06:43 — Morgan delves into the injuries typically seen in cases involving falls, contrasting them with the injuries sustained by the victim, Annamarie.
  • 00:08:59 — Highlighting the unexpected detail of the victim's body being soaked in paint, Joe Scott navigates through the signs of death, focusing on the rigidity of Annamarie's body.
  • 00:13:05 — Likening the process of rigor mortis to post-workout stiffness, Morgan provides a relatable touch to a grim subject. He elaborates on how heat affects rigor mortis, introducing elements like metabolic activity into the equation.
  • 00:15:44 — Morgan provides insight into the informative value of a deceased person's hand position.
  • 00:18:50 — Morgan reiterates the necessity of considering various elements for a comprehensive death investigation.
  • 00:19:53 — Mack stresses the role of first responders in observing and documenting vital details like blood and bruises. Morgan describes how bruises can remain on a body, offering clues into the timeline of a death.
  • 00:28:40 — The conversation pivots to discuss the speculative act of deliberately pouring paint on Annamarie, emphasizing the need to examine her clothing for more clues.
  • 00:29:40 — Joseph Scott Morgan draws parallels between this case and the Caylee Anthony homicide, highlighting the use of questionable scientific methods in court.
  • 00:32:38 — Dave Mack and Joe Scott Morgan discuss the implications of the cause of death being strangulation, and what signs to look for.

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0:00.0

Hillary Burton Morgan here and I'm excited to tell you about a new series I'm launching

0:05.6

it is the Companion Podcast to Sundance TV's True Crime Story. It couldn't happen here.

0:11.7

On the TV show we focus on small towns and the crimes that can rip them apart,

0:16.0

and on this podcast, we will go even deeper into our cases and give you a unique insider perspective on how these stories are told.

0:23.6

Come join us as we get curious and get involved.

0:26.6

Listen to True Crime Story.

0:28.2

It couldn't happen here on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

0:31.7

or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:34.0

Body-bags, with Joseph Scott Morgan. I make it a practice my wife and I do at least when we can save our pennies enough

1:00.4

and we go trust me before I say this I don't you think I'm some kind of rich guy, because I ain't.

1:05.0

We save our pennies and pack a backpack, both of us, and we hop on the cheapest flight we can find,

1:11.0

and we go to Great Britain. And We've done this a couple of times and

1:16.3

stay very very cheap. I'll stay in fancy hotels. Hey if you're in America you can always stay in some big chain, right? So we try to stay in, you know, in hostels for families or maybe

1:26.4

in an end that's outside of town and take public transit in. And one of the things that we were

1:31.8

prone to do while we're overseas is go visit art museums.

1:35.0

Probably one of the most fantastic experiences I've ever had was the National Museum in London.

1:42.0

Some of the most beautiful artistry I've ever seen

1:44.3

and also particularly in Cardiff Wales went down there and went to the National

1:48.8

Art Museum and they had beautiful Monet paintings and they're all originals there and you walk through these

1:55.4

things and just I don't know you can just stare at them for hours and the old

1:59.6

portraits too the ones that go back hundreds and hundreds of years.

2:03.0

And it's amazing what an artist can do with paint.

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