In the 90s, New York Detective Louis Scarcella locked up the worst criminals.

Putting bad guys away.

There's no feeling like it.

Then jailhouse lawyers took game led by Derek Hamilton.

Scracella took me to the precinct and alive.

20 men eventually walked free.

Now, in the Burden Podcast, after a decade of silence,

Louis Scarsella finally tells his story, and so does Derek Hamilton.

Listen to the burden on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. lasts. with Joseph Scott Morgan. Over the course of many years of talking to police officers.

Over the course of many years of talking to police officers.

Not so much detectives, but from people that have been on the beat, they say patrolmen. People that work a specific zone. They're

called different things in different jurisdictions. You always hear them say, every single rollout, every single location they're summoned to.

Though some of the cases might appear

to be the same on the surface, that they go out to work.

There's nothing out there that is the same over and over and over again.

Everything has some little nuance, some little change.

And most of the time when you show up at a scene and you hear a lady screaming and you see blood pouring out of her leg and you walk on through the house and you see an

individual that has been restrained and executed. You can't take the measure of it initially. First off you're afraid, if

you're the police officer. You're afraid you're afraid there might be other dangers that

lurk around every corner, but you have to get her out of there to make sure that

she gets a medical attention that she needs.

But when you begin your assessment of the scene, sometimes things just don't add up. Today we're going to talk about a lady named Deborah Frazier and a

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