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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: ARSON - Revenge, Money, Cover-Up Crime, Pyrophilia.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

True Crime, News

3.97.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Arsonists set fires for may different reasons; revenge, money, cover-up a Crime, pyrophilia. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss how the crime is investigated, the evidence left behind, and why burning up the scene of a crime to get rid of evidence, often creates the evidence needed to catch the perp. 

 

 

 

Transcript Highlights
00:00:00.00 Introduction - Fire

00:05:08.55 Getting hurt at fire scenes

00:09:59.88 Four sources

00:15:06.98 Watching fire

00:20:04.78 Arsonists use fire to make money, cover up a crime, render down a body

00:25:09.86 Somebody laying on their back, clothing on back many time is intact

00:30:17.15 Using fire for revenge

00:35:16.22 Memory of first time faced with a burned body in morgue

00:39:58.89 Linear surgical incisions to prevent body from splitting open

00:45:05.58 Most people die from smoke inhalation

00:50:17.55 Being short of breath, sad way to die

00:55:02.50 Treating the body with respect

00:59:47.19 Personal story, conclusion 

 

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:05.5

Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Moore.

0:10.5

You know, I don't really know how man originally discovered fire.

0:21.0

We always have this image in our minds.

0:23.7

I don't know what do you guys.

0:24.6

I have it.

0:25.6

Of, you know, these kind of cromagnon-looking creatures that are sitting around in a cave.

0:32.7

And all of a sudden, one of them, you know, strikes a rock against another rock and suddenly they

0:39.9

discover, you know, fire. I've always thought that maybe it was a lightning strike, perhaps,

0:46.0

this kind of natural manifestation, maybe from the sweet lord above, something caught on fire

0:51.5

and they were amazed by it and they took it and they kept it and it provided so much for them it provided it split the night at that point in time no artificial light suddenly they had naturally occurring light where they could see in the darkness those things that were out there suddenly they had access to warmth when it was very,

1:14.6

very cold. Can you imagine being in the midst of the ice age or at the end of the last ice age

1:20.5

and you're freezing to death, but yet you have this clove that you can sit around and rub your hands in front of.

1:29.3

They learned how to cook, perhaps, with fire.

1:35.3

But now, in the modern context,

1:39.3

fire represents many other things.

1:42.3

We can manufacture things with it. We can fuel things.

1:48.8

Industry runs on it. But in my world, fire, fire generally comes down to this. Something is being destroyed that maybe a criminal otherwise would not want to be found

2:06.5

today on body bags we're going to have kind of a brief primer a brief discussion on fire

2:15.1

and arson.

2:23.4

I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybags.

2:32.4

Dave, the scariest I have ever been at any type of scene.

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