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Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Morgan.

Coming to you live from CrimeCon 2025 in London.

I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags.

We're going to dig into a case or cases. I hate to be disrespectful by only saying, putting that in the singular form. We have four victims in this case.

And that's the most important thing, right?

And we try to emphasize that, I think, in the true crime world now in the past and I've heard this repeated over and over again that

particularly this time around that

we pay a lot of attention to perpetrators.

You hear about perpetrators a lot because many times they are the stuff of nightmares.

Because I think as humans, we want to try to understand what creates a monster.

And I've seen my share of monsters over the course of my career in practice.

However, what I've also borne witness to or what they leave in the wake.

And I don't know of any case or cases that are in view right now.

They're any more brutal than this. And there has been an ongoing discussion about when this case is actually going to come to trial of these cases.

They'll all be held in one accord.

You've got four charges of murder. This is a capital case where Brian Koberger has been accused. He has not been convicted and that's important for us to remember.

But we have to remember what happened to these four young people.

Zana Kurnodal, Ethan Chapin.

We've got Maddie Mogan and Kaylee Gonzalez,

and they all have a story to tell by all the remained of their bodies.

And that's one of the big things that we're kind of missing right now.

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