Bobby Chesney and Danielle Citron on Deep Fakes
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🗓️ 16 January 2020
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of the Arbiters of Truth series, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with law professors Bobby Chesney and Danielle Citron about deep fakes—that is, artificial audio and video that can be used to depict a person doing or saying something that they never did or said. They talked about the paper that Bobby and Danielle wrote in 2018 about how deep fakes pose a looming challenge for privacy, democracy, and national security. And with recently circulated, doctored video of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and presidential candidate Joe Biden, they talked about how the issue hasn't gone away, as well as the distinction between deep fakes and other less sophisticated forms of editing.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | Of the 15,000 deep fake videos that appear now online, 96% involved deep fake porn videos |
| 0:41.5 | and 99% of those videos involve using female faces and inserting it in support. |
| 0:47.5 | Okay, so it is a problem of women and marginalized communities. |
| 0:51.4 | But we also imagine that that kind of targeting of individuals could be used in ways. |
| 0:56.4 | It could be a world leader who is faced with a deep fake sex video and their inbox with |
| 1:01.1 | the suggestion, if you don't do what I say, right? |
| 1:04.3 | If you don't scuttle, let's say you know some sort of diplomatic talks, then this deep |
| 1:08.2 | fake sex video is going viral of you, right? |
| 1:10.5 | As we talked about the ways in which we could imagine not only harming the everyday person, |
| 1:15.8 | but also we might see deep fake videos to undermine national security, diplomatic relations |
| 1:21.3 | and involving individuals. |
| 1:24.0 | I'm Quinted Jurassic and this is the LawFair podcast January 16, 2020. |
| 1:31.8 | On this week's episode of Arbiter's of Truth, our podcast on disinformation, Evelyn |
| 1:36.7 | Dwak and I are excited to bring you an episode we've wanted to record for a while, a conversation |
| 1:41.6 | with law professor Bobby Chesney and Daniel Citron on deep fakes, that is artificial audio |
| 1:47.4 | and video, that can be used to depict a person doing or saying something they never did |
| 1:52.5 | or said. |
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