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That's Better Help H-E-L-P.com. Hello and welcome to the Bullwork Podcast I'm your host Tim Miller. I'm just honored to be here today with

investigative journalist and author of the latest book War which was released this

week. He shared in two Pulitzer Prizes for his work at the Washington Post one

for coverage of the Watergate scandal, of course,

and the other for the 9-11 attacks, it's Bob Woodward. Bob, welcome to the Bullard

Thank you. I want to spend most of this discussion talking about your reporting about Donald Trump.

We are the Never Trumper podcast, of course, but first I want to get into a couple of items of the Ukraine

because you really have some astonishing new revelations about the Biden administration's work there.

One in particular, there have been critics

of the Biden administration from the right,

including some on this podcast,

who argued that they let the Putin nuclear threat deter them from pushing

for more aggressive action from Ukraine and your reporting shed some light on why

that may have been and just how serious the nuclear threat actually was.

So I'd love to hear you talk about that.

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