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Welcome to TrustMe, the podcast about cult, Extreme Believe, and the abuse of power from two Santa's helpers who've actually experienced it. I am Lola Blomk.

And I'm Megan Elizabeth.

And today is part two of our interview with the wonderful Bob Nigard, private investigator who's best known for taking down fraudulent psychics.

So in this episode, we'll hear more about Bob's experiences. We'll discuss how cult leaders tend to be men, but psychics tend to be women, and we'll hear more about the prolific scammer, Gina Marks.

We'll also talk about the extent to which psychic fraud is organized crime. The difference between cold and hot readings and the common things psychics will say to lure you in.

Indeed, and also today's episode is sponsored by apparently a big fan of the show, Alyssa.

Oh my gosh, we hope you enjoy the gift that Josh had us send to you and signed for you. So Merry Christmas and happy new year to you both.

Thank you for listening. Wow, amazing.

I know that was really cool. Anyone listens to us enough to want to shout out. Love it. I'm so grateful. Thank you all.

Okay. So before we dig in with Bob again, Megan, do you have a cultiest thing this week?

Well, you know, Lola, we were discussing before we started recording just we might have talked about Christmas being culty last year as well.

But I'm here to talk about it again this year because last year I didn't join the cult of Christmas.

My family, as I've said before, so religious that they say Christmas is rude to Jesus. So we didn't celebrate it because it's commercial and materialistic and all that shit.

This year, I'm fully in Christmas. I made everybody make their own decorations. I have like weird popcorn things hanging from the tree. It's my first tree.

We are taking it really seriously. I have Christmas lights and like little stockings hanging from the fireplace. So I'm in.

I love it. I mean, look, I've been a member of this cult since age one. So I'm with you at zero. You were not into it.

As soon as I could understand what lights were and what songs were, I was like one of Santa's hosts from day one.

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