Welcome to The Investigation. I'm Kira Phillips. My co-host, Chris Flasto, on assignment this week. So I'm joined today by two members of our investigative team, Catherine Falders, who covers All Things White House and the Hill and John Santucci. John's been covering the Trump's since the campaign. Joining us today is former

White House lawyer, Ty Cobb. Ty, so great to have you with us. Thanks for having me. I think a lot of

people have Googled you, have looked into you, and the first thing that they sort of see is

someone that should be playing baseball. And that's not you. I mean, you're in good

shape, Ty, but that's really not what people think about when I think of Ty Cobb, the lawyer. So there's

a family history there, right? He was a distant cousin of my grandfather. You've been around

D.C. forever. I mean, you've worked on Capitol Hill, you've been in private practice. Just what we're seeing right now, did you ever think that this would be something that you would tackle in your career?

No. No, I think so this was not something that I raised my hand for, sought out in particular. I was contacted about representing the president

individually at one point. The firm wouldn't take that matter on. We were representing the state

of Hawaii at the time in connection with the travel ban, so there was a conflict. And then I was

asked to come in-house, which required a significant restructuring of my banking practices.

But it was the, in essence, it was my background that caused me to take that job.

I grew up in a small town in western Kansas. My dad was a naval

fighter pilot. You know, I think if the president asked you that this was a very important task.

It was very important to do it honorably, very important to get it right legally. And then you

reach the if not me who question. and if the answer is Michael Cohen,

you know, I'm proud for the country that I took the assignment.

You always say during your time at the White House, you represented the presidency, not the

president specifically. During your time there and, of course, after now that you've left,

what surprised you the most about your job working

in the White House?

So the distinction about representing the presidency, not the president, is not a dodge.

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