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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

Bob Motta Analyzes Kouri Richins Prosecution Problems & Colin Gray's Devastating Family Testimony

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

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🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Defense attorney Bob Motta delivers extended analysis on two trials exposing fundamental problems with their respective prosecutions. Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke break down the Kouri Richins case in Utah and the Colin Gray trial in Georgia—both reaching moments that could determine outcomes.

The Richins prosecution built a case on Carmen Lauber's testimony about obtaining fentanyl. But Robert Crozier—her alleged source—testified he only sold oxycodone because "everybody was scared of fentanyl." The medical examiner won't call it homicide. A detective told Lauber "the goal is to convict Kouri for aggravated murder." Critical tests were never performed: hair follicles, copperware, even the kitchen wasn't searched the night Eric died. The defense has 35 witnesses waiting and may have already established reasonable doubt without calling one.

The Gray trial put a father on the stand to defend himself—alone. No experts. No character witnesses. Just Colin crying, saying he never saw it coming. His family said otherwise. Daughter Jenni testified he asked her to "cover for him." Wife Marcee said she begged him to lock up the guns. Colt texted "the blood is on your hands" weeks before the shooting.

The morning timeline won't leave the jury's mind: Colt's 9:42 a.m. text saying "I'm sorry." Colin asking what was wrong but not calling the school. First shots at 10:22 a.m. Colin stopping at QuikTrip for a drink instead of racing to Apalachee High.

Bob Motta explains why Colin took the stand when the evidence against him was so damaging, what that tells us about how the defense assessed their case, and what they must accomplish in closing arguments. He also identifies what the Richins prosecution absolutely needs to prove—and whether they're running out of time.

Two cases. Two families destroyed. Two juries deciding who's responsible.

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0:00.0

This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Dree.

0:09.0

The prosecution in the Corey Richens trial played a bombshell recording the other day.

0:16.6

Corey Richens calling the medical examiner's office asking detailed questions about the substances found in Eric's body.

0:25.4

But that same witness, Dr. Eric Christensen, made damaging emissions under cross-examination.

0:30.8

Meanwhile, the state's drug chain witnesses are contradicting each other and no fentanyl has ever been found in the Richens home.

0:38.6

We are going to dive into right now what is going on in the prosecution of Corey Richens,

0:44.8

and then we'll discuss the defense of Cory Richens and how that's playing out.

0:49.5

Joining Robin and myself, Robin Drake, retired FBI special agency for the counterintelligence behavioral analysis program, is Bob Mata.

0:57.8

Defense attorney. Bob, welcome. This has been such an interesting case so far. It's had its moments, I feel like, on both sides where you go, oh, oh. And you just kind of keep going, oh, it's back and forth

1:14.1

quite a bit. But one of the things that we've recently seen, like I said, was that phone call. I want to

1:20.5

talk about that, the phone call to the medical expert, the examiner that Dr. Eric Christensen.

1:28.6

It was an interesting phone call.

1:30.7

If you've not had a chance to hear it, it's obviously available out there online.

1:34.8

And she gets into wanting to know information about, you know,

1:38.5

exactly how much of this drug fentanyl killed Eric, the different types of it.

1:43.6

At one point, she's confused about a prescription that's actually her own prescription

1:47.7

that was in Eric's body.

1:50.5

She can't quite pronounce it.

1:52.1

What was your take on that phone call?

1:54.6

Is it a big, big thing for the prosecution?

1:58.7

Or is it really kind of a nothing burger at the end of the day?

2:01.7

And I'm just a curious wife wondering what happened to her dead husband.

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