Welcome to the Podforce One podcast. I'm Miranda Devine. Today we're joined by former federal

prosecutor Bob Costello, a long-time New York attorney, as well as the attorney for Rudy Giuliani

at the time that Rudy Giuliani was the attorney for President Donald Trump in his first term.

Bob Costello, thank you so much for joining us on Podforce 1.

You're quite welcome.

Now, Bob, we first met back in October of 2020 when you called me out of the blue in your

capacity as Rudy Giuliani's lawyer, who was at that point Donald

Trump's lawyer, the president. And you said that you had a very interesting story for me.

And you texted me some screenshots from Hunter Biden's laptop.

And that was the beginning of a great odyssey that we both have been on for the last five

years.

So let's go back to the beginning of the laptop, Hunter Bidenop saga, and tell me how you got involved.

I got involved because I gave Rudy Giuliani's personal secretary of Paul because I started

to receive death threats and crazy calls on my office phone because a certain commentator on TV had exposed my email address and my cell phone number.

Pretty bad. Yeah, it might have been a mistake by the crew. It might have been deliberate. I don't know,

but in any event, the result was the same. And I started to get all these crazy calls and crazy emails and text messages.

So I picked up the phone and I called Rudy's secretary and I said, you know, Joanne, if I've received 20 of these, Rudy must get a thousand, right?

And she said, oh yeah, they come in every day in the email.

I said, well, what do you do with them?

She said, they're almost all from nuts. So I take a quick look at them and I throw them in the email. I said, well, what do you do with them? She said, they're almost all from nuts,

so I take a quick look at them and I throw them in the garbage. So I said, so Rudy never sees

these things? She said, never. I said, you know what? From now on, don't throw them in the garbage,

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