Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to quickly tell you about some others.

My name's Andy Martin and I'm the editor of a team of podcast producers at the BBC in Northern Ireland.

It's a job I really love because we get to tell the stories that really matter to people here,

but which also resonate and apply to listeners around the world.

And because the team has such a diverse

range of skills and strengths, we've trained journalists, people who love digging through archives,

we've got drama and even comedy experts. We really can do those stories justice. So if you

like this podcast, head to BBC Sounds where you'll find plenty more fascinating stories from

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Wake up to Money, Bordroom Stories with Mickey Clark. Hello, I'm Mickey Clark and for today's

ballroom stories, I'm taking your shopping. Yeah. If you believe the news reports

2018's witnessing the slow death of retail, well today I've come to Lakeside Shopping Centre to meet David Fissel.

He's the boss of Into, which owns this place, as well as shopping centres all over the country and in Spain.

Half the UK's population apparently visit an Into Centre every year.

Maybe you're one of them.

And as you're about to hear, he says reports of the death of retail have been widely

exaggerated.

Wake up to money.

Boardroom Stories.

We're in the lakeside shopping centre.

I've got to confess it's the first time I've been here, driven past a lot of times.

One and a half million square feet,

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