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Welcome to the Trap Set, where each week we explore the lives of drummers.

This week, we're diverging from our usual format.

Next week's guest is Phil Collins.

So joining me is my producer Chris to discuss why our Phil episode is a watershed moment for the show

and why we believe he's a uniquely fascinating artist.

I remember first talking about Phil Collins right when, like, kind of like the first time we talked about it.

We were like we met in Santa Monica and we started talking about like you told me about this

podcast and I was like I think in when you mentioned drumbo but then you were like, you know,

I could see that, you know, like one day, you know, like, it'd be amazing to get, like, Phil Collins out there.

Like, he was always the little bit, the white whale of the, the podcast.

You know, that's what I remember.

Like, someone was just like, we might be able to get him, but it seemed impossible at the time.

I spoke to him a couple months ago.

I went out to his place in Miami.

Right.

It was actually relatively easy to get him on the show once I sent him an email.

One of the things that made it impossible was he was living in Switzerland or Sweden?

He was living in Switzerland, but he's in like a kind of castle being kind of like kind of locked in.

Well, now he's in Miami sort of locked in.

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