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I'm Dr. Vince Houghton, the Museum's historian and curator.

Every week, the museum brings you interesting conversations with authors,

scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of global espionage.

Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence. Today's spy cast is sponsored by two great companies. We welcome back Mac Weldon and thank them for their continued support.

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We're joined by Rosa Brooks, who is a law professor at the Georgetown University Law Center,

where she teaches courses on international law, national security, Constitutional Law, and other subjects.

She also writes a weekly column for foreign policy and serves as a senior fellow at the New America

Future of War program.

Before this, she served as counselor to Undersecretary Defense for Policy and during her time of the Defense Department,

she also founded the Office for Rule of Law in International Humanitarian Policy,

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