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Hello, Gary.

Hello, Guy. How are you?

I'm good, thank you. So I think we've both been doing a bit of avant-garde 60s film watching

the last few days.

Yeah, they are of a certain genre, aren't they, those 60s movies that it's sort of surrealist and wacky and trying to make political points.

We're talking about, of course, because our guest today is Paul Jones, who actually is very much a dedicated blues man, but started off as a sort of great pop singer, and he with Manfred Mann, and then went and made these two extraordinary films. One called, which I really want to get into with him if he wants to. One's called Privilege. And it was only made in 67. And it's really, and it's about a sort of messianic pop star. And it's, it's funny. Is it because it's, 1996 was was when Lenin said the Beatles were bigger than Jesus.

So this whole thing as trope has kind of started up.

But it's interesting, because I didn't know this film, Gary, and it's everything from Tommy to the wall comes from.

It's all in there.

It predates all of that, isn't it?

And, of course, it's by this guy called Peter Watkins,

who did this The War movie or whatever.

What was that called The War Game?

The War Game, which was a film that he made,

wasn't it meant to be shown to schoolchildren or something about?

It's about a nuclear war that goes on in England or in the world,

and it's a documentary that's meant to show,

you know, what might happen if that happened. And it's, it's, you know, it's obviously a peace

Nick film as well. No, it was one of those films that I think, you know, apparently Brian

Epstein loved it so much, he bought a copy of it and he showed it to all his friends whenever

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