From the chat at Mia Delaciti, I hope I said your name correctly.

I'm not convinced it was simply a nose bleed and she blew her nose aggressively because she may have been gagged.

Mia, what he's saying is someone struck her in the nose.

The other thing is, and someone mentioned it in the chat, and I mentioned it before the show,

Nancy Guthrie was a cardiac patient.

So like most cardiac patients, she was probably taking a blood thinner, whether it was

eloquist or some other.

So she would bleed very, very easily.

And once she started bleeding, it was very difficult to stop.

So Jim Clementi is reading this blood spatter from what we spoke about before, the low, medium,

and high velocity impact of the blood spatter.

And if you sneeze or cough, that's something that's going to make the blood like a projectile

and go much faster than just falling from your nose. Mike?

Yeah, Bill, you know, you're the idea that I do have to say with Phil, I agree in you guys,

there's got to be to maybe Jim Clemente is referring to a one person dragging her out of the house or carrying her out of the house.

Maybe he just meant that.

But I can't see one person doing this because especially with an 84-year-old.

If you're going to hate to say that, but if you're like the Lindbergh kidnapping kind of thing

and you're kidnapping a little baby that's 10 pounds, that's different. You're going to kidnap a fully grown 84-year-old woman if she's weak and she's sick and you know that maybe if you know her a little bit, you know if she has a heart condition, she's not going to be able to move that fast. You may actually have to grab her physically and restrain her or take her and put her over your shoulder or whatever

you're going to do, it's going to be a lot of exertion. And you're going to need somebody to help

you most likely because quicker you can get her out of that house into a car, the better. You don't

want to sit there and drag her all by yourself to a car and waste precious time. You don't know

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