Wait, you're listening. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. You're listening to Radio Lab. Radio Lab. From W. N. Y. C. See? Yeah. And NPR. I'll say this is Radio Lab, the podcast, and you take it from there. Ready? All right. Okay. Hey, I'm Chad Abumrod.

I'm Robert Crilwich.

This is Radio Lab.

The podcast.

Let me say it.

Okay, sorry.

This is Radio Lab, the podcast. Damn you. Sorry. Come on. No, I mean, you're like, you know what, actually? What? This is a sort of appropriate Because we want to talk about sharing right now

That's all I was doing that I was trying to share the moment with you in a way

Unsuccessfully

But so our last hour was all about trying to solve the puzzle of why is there niceness in a very, very cruel dog-eat-dog world? Why would there be any kind of sharing or niceness? And as we asked the scientists in the show, which we called The Good Show, the scientists kept saying over and over again, well, oftentimes what you would call nice behavior is actually disguised selfishness as critters of one kind or other try to push their genes into the future by kind of being nice to particular folks, to their sisters, to their cousins, to their mothers and fathers, yes, to those who are from their

family which share so many of their genes.

Yeah, like according to some, like a real hard-ass biologist could argue, if you're nice

to your sister, you're really just being nice to your own genes in another person's body.

We were like, come on.

Yeah.

Is there another way of thinking about this?

And so we met a guy.

Yes, my name's Jerry Wilkinson.

I'm a professor and chair of the Department of Biology at the University of Maryland College Park.

And the story that Jerry told us happened way before he was a chair or anything like that.

Yes.

Back when he was a lowly grad student.

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