What's up, y'all? Welcome back to the Blockspace podcast. We are coming at you live from

Bitcoin Vegas, 26. I'm with Taylor Monag of Queen Spark. Taylor, thank you for carving out some time.

What is a very busy bus conference for this race? Today, thanks for having me on my favorite

podcast. Look forward to the conversation.

Yeah, man.

It's a fun one.

I'm happy to be talking about AI and HPC retrofits or rather even just greenfields

with a guy like yourself because we were talking before this and you really manage or oversee

almost every aspect of that for CleanSpark.

So I want to ask you a question that I asked off camera that I think sets the stage well.

Like what has been one of the biggest revelations about designing a data center for HBC and AI workloads rather than Bitcoin. What's one of the biggest

difference? I mean, I think every part of the build is different. But really, when you come down to the

basis of it, right, it's a warehouse full of computers. And so at the end of it, that's what you're

building. In the Bitcoin mining space, you know, we talked about a little bit earlier, you buy a miner

and they give you a little bit of guidance, right? Maybe a little pamph talked about a little bit earlier, you buy a miner and they give

you a little bit of guidance, right? Maybe a little pamphlet, a little bit of engineering sport on, hey, this is going to be a successful environment. And it's really been the wild, wild west. You know, when me and you started mining, air cooling was the only thing that was around. We saw a rapid increase in immersion cooling and the adoption of that in our 10 year in Bitcoin mining over the last 10 years the introduction of hydro so it's been like a steady

progression right and everybody's kind of been able to build whatever they want. The mining manufacturers adapt a little bit to what customer needs are. You go down that path, right? But I think the biggest difference for me is when we're talking with the hypers, the neoclods, you know, just our general customers, it's no longer the Wild Wild West. In some cases, they come in with a 30-page pamphlet that says, this is our basis of design. This is every mission-critical milestone you guys must hit, whether it's the strength of the slab, whether it's the humidity control, whether it's the GPM of the water flow. These are highly subscribed assets, right? These guys know exactly what they want built.

They're working endlessly on the other side to get every little bit out of those GPUs as they're

racing against the market of AI. So the biggest revelation for me is while the buildings are much

more complicated, in a sense of like network topology, you have more networking fiber in one rack

than you do in a whole entire Bitcoin mine. It's crazy. Yeah, it's much more crazy ever build as in there's much more items. But it's almost easier in a way because you're not building something that you're not so much unsure of, but is unknown. A lot of these sites and these basis of design have been built by other builders, other developers, and you're stepping in and building on something that you know is concrete. There's a clear blueprint. There's a clear blueprint for the specs that you need to meet and for the conditions that you need to have. Yeah, and it differs whether it's a TPU or a GPU or whatever the end, you know, compute load is. It's all going to vary, but you get a very concrete building block.

And not to mention, the level of support that you see from companies like

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