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He is David Kenyon.

Bleacher reports, National College Football and college basketball writer joining us here

on Heartland College Sports Weekly, part of Heartland College Sports.com.

I'm Pete Mundo.

Thanks for joining us.

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and a review. I know a lot of you haven't.

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Heartlandcollege Sports.com, and I will get that coozy in the mail for you. So thank you so much

guys for doing that. It does mean the world to me. All right, David Kenyon, thanks for hopping

on the show. Let's start with the basketball scene. When you look at this conference right now, is there a clear tier one and tier two?

Can you argue there's a bit of a middle ground or is there an obvious split in this Big 12 basketball conference right now in the 2019-2020 season?

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