Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. There's just something about listening in on a

conversation between two people who have been through some, I don't know, let's say stuff together.

You hear them connect over a shared difficult experience and it feels like a consensual eavesdropping or something.

That's the vibe of today's interview.

It's with White House correspondent April Ryan talking with NPR's Ayesha Roscoe, who, you know,

was also a White House correspondent.

Ryan's got a new book out called Black Women Will Save the World.

And the two of them get to talking about covering the Trump White House and how,

especially then, black women in the press corps were singled out. And you get a sense of how

important a sense of support and solidarity can be in those situations. In the U.S., national security

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April Ryan started covering the White House for American Urban Radio Networks in 1997, and she's held that beat ever since.

A black female journalist in a White House press corps that has historically not had many of them.

Her reporting has focused in particular on the challenges facing Black Americans.

And in her new book, Black Women Will Save the World, she reflects on that experience

and those of other prominent Black women in power.

This is my love song to America, my love song to black women, and in particular, my mother

as well, you know, to show we made it.

April Ryan is now the Washington, D.C. Bureau Chief for the Griot and a political analyst for

CNN. Her new book is a mix of memoir, reporting, and analysis. And she says it's structured

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