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Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Black Republican Celebrities, Plus Butch Ware: the Black Muslim Revolutionary Candidate

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.711.5K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 188 minutes

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Summary

Van and Rachel react to Chilli’s rejection of the MAGA label, the politics of Nick Cannon and Amber Rose, and the latest music from Kanye West. Then, California gubernatorial candidate Dr. Butch Ware joins to discuss the two-party system and his plan for the communities of the state. (0:00) Intro (6:16) Black Republicans (13:02) Chilli denies being "MAGA" (35:52) The politics of Amber Rose and Nick Cannon (1:15:12) Ye’s ‘Bully’ album review (1:26:12) Dr. Butch Ware joins the show Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Dr. Butch Ware Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors.

0:08.7

What is up?

0:09.3

Howell learning is on, is I Van Lathen, Jr.

0:11.1

And it's me, Rachel and Lindsey.

0:12.7

We have an interview today.

0:13.8

We do.

0:14.8

Butch Ware, California gubernatorial candidate, talks about radical liberation politics he talks about why he feels that

0:26.7

the california democratic party is trying to keep him off of the ballot feels like he's polling

0:34.0

well and that there are people who don't want him on the ballot because

0:39.8

of what it means for electoral politics in California. Yeah, not just people, a system. I think it's a

0:44.3

really, really interesting interview. I think some people you hear radical, you think something

0:48.8

totally different. We get into that. It is passionate. It is educated. It is, honestly, it was a necessary conversation.

0:56.3

I think as we are in a place where we are starting to explore things outside of what we've

1:00.9

been told, what we've been traditionally taught, and what we're seeing currently in our political

1:06.9

system, this is an interview that I think will challenge you and give you a very,

1:13.0

very interesting perspective. We've had Josh Shapiro, we've had Gavin Newsom, had several

1:21.2

center-left Democrats on the podcast. I think it was,

1:28.1

it's helpful for the audience and we gave Butch a lot of time because I give

1:33.5

Butch a lot of love.

1:35.2

I get like I give Butch a lot of love and all of the questions that I'm sure people

1:40.6

will want us to ask about his feelings on the Democratic Party

1:44.6

and how those feelings jive with the current Trump administration and what they are doing.

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