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Greetings your listeners.

This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.

Just a heads up to listeners.

I have a classic Goldberg head cold and I have taken probably pushing

the legal limit of drug medicines to deal with it. So if I am incoherent, more incoherent than

normal, that is why. I'm very excited about today's guest. Elliot Abrams is a senior fellow

for Middle Eastern Studies at the Council on

Foreign Relations in Washington, D.C. He served as deputy assistant to the president and deputy

national security advisor in the administration of George W. Bush, where he supervised U.S.

policy for the Middle East and the White House. He was a special representative for Iran and Venezuela

in the administration of Donald Trump.

And he is thick in the world of, I would call second wave neoconservatism.

In some ways, I would call third wave, but we can talk about that a bit later.

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