Hi, everybody. Welcome to a very special edition of the Working Songwriter Podcast, where the

tables are turned. I'm not going to be the one asking the questions this time. One of my

dearest and oldest friends, B.J. Barnes from American Aquarium, is going to come on the

show and interview me about a new album that I am in the process of putting out right now. And it's

kind of a unique album in that it's actually a re-recording of my debut album. My debut album called

Nation of Heat was a solo acoustic album. And this re-recording is a complete re-imagining of that

solo acoustic album with a full band with members of my morning jacket, members of the killers of

Jason Isbel's 400 unit. So it's a completely new thing, a completely new album. And I thought what

better person to interview me and kind of hear about this new album process and how the old album

came together and how the two ductailed together, than my good friend B.J. Barnes of American Aquarium. So

let's welcome him on now. What's up, dude? Dude, how are you? Thanks for doing this. Hang in, man. I am so stoked to be

I was crushed when Tim did this a few years ago. Because I really thought I had a good shot in it.

But I'm happy to play second place and do this second one. Well, when people ask me,

you know, have you made a lot of friends in the music business? I'm like, I have two true friends

in the music business and it's Tim from Strandavokes and B.J. Barnes, who I've known you guys

for over a decade of peace. And I mean, I have a lot of friend friends, but I mean, you guys are the

only ones that I'm like constantly texting and calling to complain about things. So I think that's

the mark of a true friend, right? You're my, I would say I've gotten less than five. I wouldn't call

them friends. I have some acquaintances. You're the one true. I talked to you probably weekly. Yeah,

through text or calls. And I think we've any idea that we've had has been bounced off the other one.

Good or bad, but good or bad. Before it went to the end of that, it was like, hey, I got this

this idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Well, thanks for being here. I know this is

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