meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Science Friday

Bitters And Botany, Whale Evolution. Sept 27, 2019, Part 2

Science Friday

Science Friday and WNYC Studios

Science, Life Sciences, Wnyc, Natural Sciences, Friday

4.4 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 September 2019

⏱️ 47 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Can conservation be concocted in your cocktails? Yes, according to the botanist authors of Botany at the Bar, a new book about making your own bitters—those complex flavor extracts used to season a Manhattan or old-fashioned. They experiment with an array of novel recipes using underappreciated plants found around the world, from tree resin, to osha root, to numbing Szechuan peppercorns. Ira talks to ethnobotanist Selena Ahmed and plant geneticist Ashley DuVal about their recipes, how you can make complex and flavorful tinctures for cocktails and other seasonings, and their not-so-secret ulterior motive to share the stories of how people have used plants—common and rare—for thousands of years. Plus, mixologist Christian Schaal talks about the art and science of combining flavors. Fifty million years ago, the ancient ancestors of whales and dolphins roamed the land on four legs. But over time, these aquatic mammals have evolved to live fully in the ocean—their genetic makeup changing along the way. Now, a group of scientists have investigated the changes in 85 different genes that were lost in this land-to-sea transition. Mark Springer, evolutionary biologist, discusses the genetic trade-offs that cetaceans have evolved, including an inability to produce saliva and melatonin, and the benefits they provide for a deep-diving, aquatic lifestyle.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato. Did you know that whales and dolphins and other cetaceans

0:06.4

don't make saliva? That's what I said. Well, you know, makes sense, right? If you're surrounded by

0:13.0

water, but they've also lost genes involved in blood clotting. Hmm. Imagine all the drastic

0:20.3

changes that their wolf-like land-dwelling ancestor had to go through to become the streamlined ocean animals that they are today.

0:28.6

A team of researchers was interested in figuring out how this evolution happened on a genetic level.

0:35.6

They mapped out 85 different genes that were lost in this aquatic transition, and their results

0:42.4

were published in the journal Science Advances.

0:45.2

To walk us through the genetic steps, whales, and dolphins had to go through to make it

0:49.5

into the water.

0:50.6

Meet Mark Springer.

0:51.6

One of the authors on that study is also a professor of biology at University of California at Riverside. Welcome to Science Friday. Thank you. It is a pleasure to be here. That's our pleasure to have you. Usually when you're studying animals from millions of years ago, you look for fossils, but in your study, you look at molecular fossils.

1:12.3

You know, what does that mean?

1:15.7

So in the genome, we have many different genes, and as you mentioned, the gene that's expressed in saliva,

1:24.0

it's one of the genes in cetaceans that's no longer needed. But even though a gene is no

1:29.1

longer needed, there are remnants of that gene that are still in the genome. It's just a dead

1:35.8

gene or a fossil gene, if you will. And it has mutations that have been fixed in that gene

1:41.6

and make it inactive. So it's a broken gene. It can't do its job.

1:46.3

And we were interested in looking for different genes that are broken that formerly were

1:53.3

functional and would have coded for different proteins. And so there are now alignments that are

2:00.7

available for many different mammals.

2:02.6

And the alignment that we worked with is an alignment of genome sequences for more than 60 different mammals,

2:08.6

including four different cetaceans.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Science Friday and WNYC Studios, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Science Friday and WNYC Studios and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.