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Unchained

Bits + Bips: Why Gold Still Dominates — And What Bitcoin Must Prove

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Gold is hitting new highs. Bitcoin is struggling to keep up. And once again, the “digital gold” narrative is being put to the test.On today’s episode of Bits + Bips: The Interview, host Steve Ehrlich sits down with Steve Sosnick, Chief Strategist at Interactive Brokers, to break down why bitcoin still trades like a risk asset, why gold keeps winning in moments of market stress, and what crypto must prove to close the credibility gap. From rising bond yields to geopolitics and Fed independence, this conversation cuts through the noise to explain what’s really driving markets right now. Hosts: Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Steve Sosnick, Chief Strategist at Interactive Brokers Links: Should You Buy Gold or Bitcoin? Here’s How to Think About It Bitcoin Rebounds After Trump’s Truth Social Post Eases Tariff Fears Crypto Slides on Tariff Fears as Gold Breaks Above $4,850 Why Gold Rose and Bitcoin Tumbled on Japan Bond Turmoil Supreme Court casts doubt on Trump’s power to fire Fed official without proper review Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I would say since inauguration, Bitcoin specifically has become a risk asset, whether you're like it or not.

0:07.6

Bitcoin's done very well in periods of monetary accommodation, but I think at some level was, in many ways, it's a victim of its own success.

0:16.8

I do think it needs to get to a point where it has a more currency-like volatility.

0:28.9

Hi, everyone.

0:30.1

Welcome to another episode of Bits and Bips, The Interview.

0:33.0

I'm your host, Steve Ehrlich, and I'm here today with a repeat guest, Steve Sosnik, the chief strategist at Interactive Brokers.

0:42.2

So, Steve, welcome.

0:43.3

And why don't you briefly introduce yourself for any of our new listeners.

0:47.5

Sure.

0:48.7

Hi.

0:49.7

First of all, great to be back with you.

0:51.4

Thanks, once again for the invitation.

0:53.8

My name is Steve Sosnik.

0:55.4

I'm the chief strategist at Interactive Brokers.

0:58.4

I apparently just completed 30 years with the firm.

1:01.8

That came out like an internal email, and I've been getting bombarded with congratulations.

1:10.5

Not a gold watch, but congratulations are nice.

1:14.7

I joined the firm, having been on the sell side for a few years before that with some of the bulge bracket firms.

1:22.5

At the time, Timber Hill, which was the firm I joined, was an options market making firm. We were just getting big into equity options trading. And they hired me as someone who understood the risks of both options and individual equities. And so for many years, almost 25 years, I was an options market maker.

1:45.5

Along the way, I somehow got the opportunity to talk to people like yourself,

1:51.1

and I became a talking head and then a writer.

1:55.1

And as we moved away from options market making, which we don't do anymore, you know, strictly became a

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