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Bits + Bips: What’s Really Driving Bitcoin—and Who’s Driving Crypto Onchain? - Ep. 919

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Business News, Tech News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 115 minutes

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Summary

Bitcoin is hitting new all-time highs—but is this real euphoria, or just a prelude to it? In this double-header episode, we bring you a Bits + Bips roundtable and an in-depth interview on the five companies best positioned to bring crypto onchain. First, the Bits + Bips crew, Lumida’s Ram Ahluwalia, FalconX’s Joshua Lim, and NYU professor Austin Campbell, break down what’s really driving this crypto rally. Is it dollar debasement, asset revaluation, or just pure animal spirits?  They debate how close we are to a true blow-off top, how to spot a real market peak, and what shocks could shelve bitcoin in an instant. Plus, their takes on Zcash, Japan, Coinbase’s banking ambitions, and more. Then, Unchained’s Steven Ehrlich sits down with Ryan Yi, author of the Onchain 5 series, to discuss the five companies that are leading crypto’s push into real-world adoption.  From Coinbase’s Base app and token plans, to Robinhood’s play for tokenized assets, Stripe’s all-in crypto tech stack, Telegram’s TON-powered mini-app ecosystem, and Binance’s BNB-based loyalty empire, this is the playbook for what going onchain really looks like. Thank you to our sponsor, Aptos! Hosts: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guests: Joshua Lim, Co-Head of Markets at FalconX Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Ryan Yi, Ex Coinbase, Coinbase Ventures, and CoinFund For links to all the amazing articles, visit https://unchainedcrypto.com/bits-bips/bits-bips-whats-really-driving-bitcoin-and-whos-driving-crypto-onchain/ Timestamps:  0:00 Intro  4:38 What Josh learned at Token2049 about what’s really moving the market  10:12 How the options market is quietly driving bitcoin’s price  13:25 Why Ram says this isn’t a “debasement trade,” despite what everyone thinks  20:29 Whether we’ve hit peak euphoria—or not even close  23:54 Why Zcash suddenly exploded in price  26:45 How political changes in Japan are shaping markets  30:30 How to spot the real market top—and why Austin challenges Ram’s call on stocks beating gold  35:41 How CME’s 24/7 futures could change crypto trading  39:20 The signs Ram thinks would signal when the top is in  43:43 How bitcoin, altcoins, and tech stocks trade together and how they don’t  47:59 What kind of shock could finally take bitcoin down  51:34 What to make of Coinbase applying for a banking license  53:34 Whether Galaxy is trying to become the next crypto super app  57:59 Why this cycle might play out completely differently  1:02:04 Why Ram believes banks are about to crush earnings  1:03:03 The biggest risks investors still aren’t paying attention to  1:07:56 Meet 5 The Firms Poised to Drive the Next Wave of Crypto Adoption  1:08:53 Why distribution is the key battleground for the next wave of crypto adoption  1:12:24 How Coinbase is rearchitecting its platform around Base  1:15:42 What the upcoming Base token and Base app could unlock for users  1:19:13 How Robinhood is competing in crypto—and why it might have an edge  1:25:56 What the tokenization trend means for Robinhood’s future  1:27:52 Why Stripe is building a crypto tech stack of its own  1:35:02 Why Telegram’s TON token is central to its survival and growth  1:41:40 What’s behind TON’s lagging price performance  1:45:13 How Binance uses the BNB token as a cornerstone of its entire ecosystem  1:52:43 Why going fully onchain could be the defining strategy for the next generation of companies Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi everyone and welcome to a special double-header edition of Bits and Bibs. I'm Steve Ehrlich,

0:06.2

executive editor of Unchained. In the first half of today's show, I'm joined by Ram Al-Aluwalia from

0:11.9

Lumida, Austin Campbell from Zero Knowledge Consulting, and Joshua Lim from Falcon X. We break down

0:18.6

what's really fueling this crypto rally. Is it the infamous

0:22.0

debasement trade or something else entirely? We debate whether we've actually reached

0:26.4

euphoria, how macro factors are shaping crypto prices, and what risks could be still lurking

0:32.8

in the background. Then, in the second half, I sit down with Ryan Yee, former investor at Coinbase Ventures

0:38.9

and author of our three-part series that we posted on Unchained, The On Chain 5.

0:44.4

And by the way, subscribe to our newsletter, Bits and Bips, where we delivered all of this content

0:49.2

for free.

0:50.3

Going back, The Onchine 5 are the five companies Ryan believes will play a leading role in bringing the next wave of users into crypto.

0:58.6

Ryan shares his insights on how firms like Coinbase, Stripe, Robot Hood, Telegram, and Binance

1:04.9

are going on-chain in very different ways and what that says about crypto's next chapter.

1:10.6

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1:12.3

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1:19.9

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1:25.4

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1:28.4

users, and developers alike at the Aptos Experience, October 15th and 16th in Brooklyn.

1:35.8

Are we actually at Euphoria or is it an octave below euphoria?

1:40.4

We're in a bull market. All bull markets like climb to to some degree both a wall of worry and certain levels of optimism

1:47.5

the point at which you know you're at euphoria is when all of the bears have capitulated that we're not there

1:53.5

there is this sort of renewed interest on like the revenue meta of investing in crypto which as as most tried-fied people just call investing.

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