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Bits + Bips: Trump Has Spread Uncertainty Across All Markets. What’s Next? - Ep. 798

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2025

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

The markets are a bloodbath. If you’re feeling lost in the markets right now, you’re not alone. Stocks are getting crushed, bonds are sliding, and crypto isn’t escaping the carnage. The question is: why is everything selling off—and where does it go from here? One thing is clear: the next market move is extremely hard to predict. Between Trump’s economic policies, inflation worries, and DOGE’s cuts, there’s a storm of conflicting signals. So, is this pain temporary? Or are we looking at a long trend downward? Sponsors: Bitwise Hosts: James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guest: Travis Kling, CIO of Ikigai Asset Management Links Recession?  Bloomberg: Trump Says US Economy Faces ‘Transition,’ Avoids Recession Call Inflation Bloomberg: Inflation-Linked Bonds Rebound on Trump Tariffs: Credit Weekly DXY FX Empire: US Dollar Forecast: DXY Sinks as Weak Jobs Data Fuels Rate Cut Bets, EUR/USD Surges Powell’s comments: CNN: Fed Chair Powell says he’s not worried about the economy amid Trump’s tariff chaos  FT: Federal Reserve chief Jay Powell plays down growth worries after jobs report disappoints Bonds: Bloomberg: The Bond Market’s Trump Trade Is Looking Like a Recession Trade CNBC: 10-year Treasury yield rises after weaker-than-expected jobs growth Bond yields in Europe and elsewhere are rising  Tariffs: Bloomberg: Lutnick Says Trump Sticking to US Aluminum-Steel Tariff Timeline  Japan and the carry trade: Japan's 20-Year Government Bond Yield rises to its highest level since 2008.  Jeff Park tweeted “Bitcoin is Japan’s game now whether you like it or not” - thoughts? FT: Japan seeks tariff reprieve after Donald Trump questions long-standing defence pact China’s deflation:  Bloomberg: China’s Inflation Declines Below Zero for First Time in Year Ukraine War talks:  FT: Ukraine seeks to persuade US to resume aid in high-stakes talks Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 📉 3:05 What’s behind this brutal market selloff 🤔 7:26 Why making a market prediction right now is nearly impossible 🇺🇸 13:41 How Trump’s economic moves drive uncertainty ⚠️ 19:37 Is the Trump administration intentionally triggering a recession? 💰 20:30 The real impact of “austerity” on the economy 📉 22:59 What must happen before the market bottoms out 🔥 26:52 Where inflation might head next 📊 36:21 What the VIX is saying about the market 📉 39:00 How markets will react to today’s CPI numbers 🚀 43:40 When might Trump push for tax cuts? 🏦 49:19 Will ETF buyers create a bitcoin floor? 💴 55:12 What a declining Japanese yen reveals about demand for risky assets ₿ 1:00:35 Why BTC is the furthest that it has ever been from altcoins 🛍️ 1:11:00 What new groups might step in and buy bitcoin?📉 🤦‍♂️ 1:20:25 Whether the Trump administration “fucked up” the economy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:22.6

It's impossible to guess where we're going,

0:25.6

because we are pretty much being driven by Trump.

0:30.0

And Trump, at least for me, he's proving to be kind of not predictable.

0:37.0

The one thing I know is that he will flip stance quite a few times.

0:40.9

That's how it.

0:43.5

Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised that this is the beginning of a very strong, very

0:48.8

strength.

0:50.3

Hi, everyone.

0:51.2

Welcome to Bits and Bips.

0:52.6

Exploring how crypto and macro collie, one base point at a time.

0:55.6

I'm your host, James Safert, Tradfai Archmaister, Lord of Bloomberg's End.

0:59.9

I'm here with Alex Kruger, Kruger Macro of House Asgard, Protector of the Realm.

1:05.8

Also with Ram Al-Alawalia, Master of Wealth, leader of Lumida.

1:09.7

How's it going? And today we're joined by Travis Kling, grand strategist of the Ikegaid Treasury.

1:14.6

Here we go. Thanks for having me. Hi, guys.

1:16.6

Thanks for being here, Travis. We're here to discuss the latest stories in the worlds of crypto and macro.

1:21.6

Just remember that nothing we say here is investment advice.

1:23.6

Please check UnchainCrypto.com slash bips and bips for more disclosures.

1:34.4

Crypto moves fast. It's why Bitwise launched the weekly CIO memo, a jargon-free summary of what's moving crypto markets, written by one of the best in the business, CIO Matt Hogan.

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