It's really challenging to be like in crypto and see this massive equity rally, massive gold rally.

Like I don't know, like we do have an venture arm and like three, four years ago, like every venture deck would be like,

this is a market cap of crypto, this is market cap of gold, this is a market cap of equity.

And I was like, this is market cap of crypto, this is market cap of gold, this is

market cap of equities. So it's like, crypto didn't change at all. And labor system is going up.

And yeah, it's kind of sad. So it just doesn't look like a volatile asset anymore, which is very

bizarre.

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