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Bits + Bips: The Interview — The $16 Trillion Repo Market Is TradFi’s Central Nervous System. Its Finally Coming Onchain

Unchained

Laura Shin

Tech News, Business News, News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2026

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

The repo market is $16 trillion globally and most people have never heard of it — until the plumbing breaks. Craig Burchell of FalconX and Matteo Pandolfi of Pareto explain how it works and why bringing it on-chain is the next big unlock for DeFi. --- Heads up! If you haven’t yet, be sure to subscribe to Bits + Bips, since the show will migrate there in a few weeks. Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Unchained⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and wherever you get your podcasts. ---- The repo market is $16 trillion globally and it is, as Craig Burchell puts it, the oil that makes everything go. It is also almost entirely absent from on-chain finance — and that gap is creating real problems for RWA liquidity, stablecoin swap desks, and DeFi protocols trying to manage redemption queues. Steve Ehrlich sits down with Craig Burchell, head of lending at FalconX, and Matteo Pandolfi, CEO of on-chain credit infrastructure provider Pareto, to map exactly how repo works, what broke in 2019, why it translates extremely well into onchain finance. Matteo puts a $1 trillion figure on where on-chain repo gets in five years. Craig gives you one reason it gets there and one very honest reason it might not. Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steve Ehrlich, Head of Research at SharpLink and Host of Bits + Bips: The Interview - https://x.com/Steven_Ehrlich Guest: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Craig Burchell — Head of Lending, FalconX; previously Head of Lending at Membrane Finance. @_CraigBirchall ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matteo Pandolfi — CEO & Co-Founder, Pareto (on-chain credit infrastructure). @pan_teo_ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Bits and Bips, The Interview. My name is Steve Erlich. I am the head of research at Sharplink and also your host for today.

0:10.6

Really excited to be back with all of you. Sorry, I missed last week. I was a little bit under the weather. But we have a terrific show.

0:18.4

But as always, before we get into it, let's just take a brief moment to hear from some of the sponsors who make this show possible. If you've been loving bits and bibs, don't forget that the show is transitioning to its own fees on X, YouTube, and your favorite podcast player. If you're not already subscribed to Bits and Bips on its own channels, go there now and hit that subscribe button so you can keep up with our twice weekly

0:37.5

live streams and macro-mease crypto breakdowns.

0:39.9

But some bits and this will only be on the Unschiemp for a few more weeks.

0:43.0

So subscribe today to be ready for launch.

0:45.0

You can get all the links at Unchained Crypto.com slash bits and bits.

0:53.5

Welcome back. Now as always, before we actually begin, a brief disclaimer, nothing that you hear on the show should be considered financial or investment advice. For full disclosures, please see unchaincrypto.com backslash bits and bibs. And let's begin. Today, we're going to be talking about the repo market and trying to bring it on chain.

1:12.6

The repo market, as my guest who I'm about to bring in, will tell you, is widely considered to be the central nervous system of basically the entire financial system.

1:20.9

It's one of these giants that many people don't think about until things potentially go wrong, but it's really the oil that makes everything go.

1:29.2

So it's only natural to try to bring it on chain.

1:31.5

And my guest today have found a clever way to try and do that.

1:35.6

So let's bring them in.

1:36.4

First, we have Craig Birchall.

1:37.9

He is the head of lending at Falcon X.

1:40.1

We're the top prime brokers in the crypto industry.

1:42.9

So welcome, Craig.

1:45.7

Thank you. Great to be here.

1:53.0

And second, we have Mateo Pendalfi, who is the CEO and co-founder of Pareto, an on-chain credit infrastructure provider. So welcome, Mateo. Thank you. Thank you. Glad to be here as well.

1:58.5

Thanks. So I've been really excited to have this show. I know we've been working on it for a couple weeks. For one, it was a great opportunity for me to really kind of dive in to see how repo could work on Shane. And it's not quite as simple. There's a lot of overlap, but it's not quite as simple as it may seem. And we're going to get into all of it. But before we do, just very quickly, Craig, maybe I can start with you.

2:19.9

Can you please just explain to people? it may seem, and we're going to get into all of it. But before we do, just very quickly,

2:18.6

Craig, maybe I can start with you. Can you please just explain to people in the audience who may

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