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Bits + Bips: How Wall Street Could Make a Killing off the Next Crypto Winter - Ep. 908

Unchained

Laura Shin

Tech News, Business News, News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Markets had a flood of liquidations on Monday, and traders lost over $1.5 billion in positions. So, why are liquidations spiking? Is this a warning or a blip?  Also, could a flood of DAT issuance be setting the stage for not just a crypto winter, but a crypto “nuclear” winter? If so, hedge funds and market structure could accelerate the pain.  This week on Bits + Bips, Steven Ehrlich, Ram Ahluwalia, Austin Campbell, and Vinny Lingham talk about why mNAVs could compress and whether even MicroStrategy’s stack is more fragile than it looks.  They debate the bull case for gold (yes, even at these ATHs), how tokenized stocks and changing reporting cadences could open new insider edges, and what the U.S. macro picture looks like.  Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus: Scalable storage that lets you publish, deliver, and program any data, onchain. Xapo: Where Global Banking Meets Bitcoin Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Austin Campbell, Founder and Managing Partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Vinny Lingham, Co-founder of Praxos Capital Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💥7:39 Why Monday’s liquidations spiked and what triggered $1.5B in losses 📊 11:18 How a shift away from quarterly reporting could change markets 🕵️ 14:16 How tokenized stocks might hand insiders a massive edge 🐻 22:05 Why Vinny is bearish right now and why Ram disagrees 🥇 24:25 Why gold might still have upside, even at record highs 📉 28:59 Whether the flood of DATs will end in brutal consolidation ⚡ 35:49 Could even MicroStrategy blow up under market stress? ✅ 48:17 What SEC clearing the path for ETFs really signals for crypto 📈 54:23 Ram’s stock picks in this environment ⚠️ 56:00 Why Austin sees a looming breakdown in the U.S. economy 😌 58:02 Why Vinny doesn’t feel the need to take big risks right now Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The next crypto winter will be a nuclear winter because what will happen is these deaths will trade at discounts.

0:06.5

I think it's quite phenomenal that we had the first debt, which is MSTR, and then we had a proliferation of deaths with the last three months combined with this fact craze.

0:16.7

And now we're talking about MNAV compression and the collapse of these deaths.

0:23.0

That was, that came quick, the left quick, welcome to crypto.

0:27.7

That's what it is.

0:28.7

The U.S. is running a twin deficit.

0:30.7

The federal deficit is going to keep rising.

0:32.6

I mean, we're going to be 2.X this year by the looks of things, getting close to the three by next year.

0:39.9

Tell me how we get out of this mess.

0:41.8

I'll just hop in to say this is a long time debate between economists,

0:46.0

but I'll just say none of this matters when Elon's automated robots kill us all.

0:51.3

Hi, everyone. Welcome to bits and bibs, the show that explores how crypto and macro collide one basis

0:57.1

point at a time.

0:58.6

I'm your host, Steve Erlich, high scribe of the Unchained Kingdom.

1:01.9

And I'm here, as always, with Ram Alalaya, the master of wealth, leader of Lumida.

1:06.5

Welcome.

1:06.9

And we're here with two very special guests.

1:29.2

First, the returning guest, Austin Campbell, the high scholar of zero knowledge consulting. So welcome, Austin. Thanks for having it. A lot of quest to have you back. And then, again, a very special guest, a true crypto OG, Vinnie Lingam, the Eternal watcher of Praxis Holdings. So welcome, Vinnie.

1:31.0

Hi, Steven. Thanks having me.

1:38.9

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