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Bits + Bips: Could a Base Token Be Coinbase's Key to a Super App? - Ep. 905

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

This week on Bits + Bips, hosts Steve Ehrlich and Ram Ahluwalia speak with Blockchain.com’s Nic Cary and Franklin Templeton’s Max Gokhman. We talk about how the potential Base token would alter the L2 landscape, and who should capture the value if Coinbase becomes the backbone for DeFi. Also, whether Web2 and TradFi giants will buy their way onchain, why privacy infrastructure is overdue, and how TON’s superapp strategy could pressure social platforms to follow suit.  Plus: how Franklin Templeton is valuing L2s and other tokens, why the FOMC’s decision matters for crypto risk, and how tariff talk could spill into digital assets.  Thank you to our sponsor, Xapo! Hosts: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guests: Nic Cary, Co-Founder and Vice Chairman at Blockchain.com Max Gokhman, Deputy Chief Investment Officer for Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions Links: Unchained:  Base Will Likely Have a Token: Why Now, Who Wins, and How Big It Gets Base Starts to Explore a Native Token Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🪙 5:13 The reason for Coinbase’s flip flop on a Base token 🌉 18:33 Should Blockchain.com launch its own L2? 🏗️ 22:05 Is Coinbase becoming the infrastructure layer for DeFi? 📊 25:13 How $1.5 trillion Franklin Templeton builds valuation frameworks for L2s and tokens 📱 30:33 Nic’s case for TON and its superapp strategy 🏦 34:00 Whether Web2 and TradFi giants will buy their way onchain 🕵️ 40:21 Why privacy infrastructure is overdue for crypto but never seems to work 📉 51:03 Surprising predictions regarding the next Fed rate cut 🇺🇸 57:45 Why Trump has a tariff backup plan, and what it means for crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think from the perspective of base specifically, if it doesn't offer governance, if it doesn't really give you anything, then what's the point to owning the token?

0:10.0

So I think they're going to need to answer a bad question.

0:13.0

But Coinbase is likely to be a lot less careful than they were before in branching out and looking at other ways to expand their footprint,

0:22.5

given the change in the administration. And, you know, Brian Armstrong spent a lot of effort

0:26.9

on cultivating that. I think now is the time he's going to try to reap the benefits of what he's

0:31.9

so. I think people around the dinner table are feeling paying around inflation. But the amount of

0:37.1

apocalyptic predictions

0:38.4

that were made in the spring by leading economists about how all this would cripple the American

0:42.9

economy and we would be in, you know, death throes of supply chain dislocations and, you know,

0:48.3

there'd be urban and riots. It just didn't come to fruition. Welcome to another episode of Bits and Bips, exploring how crypto and macro collide one basis

0:58.9

point at a time.

1:00.4

A lot to discuss today.

1:01.8

We're going to spend quite a bit time talking about the new base token.

1:05.3

Frankly, I'm not sure we've ever speculated so much about something that we know so little

1:09.1

about, but that is the world that we live in.

1:12.2

And that's not going to keep us from speculating wildly. So let's go ahead.

1:16.7

One early bitcoiner sold 30,000 BTC too soon, missing out on over a billion dollars.

1:22.8

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1:28.4

Bitcoin. Check out Zappobank.com slash Unchained for more. I am your host, Steve Earlech, High Scribe

1:35.7

of the Unchained Kingdom. And I am here with one of our regular co-hosts, Ram Al-Walya, the

1:42.8

master wealth leader of Lumida. Welcome, Ron. Hey, how's it going?

1:47.9

And we have two special guests today. Again, first we have Nick Carey, the unshackled Lord

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