BITCOIN SEASON 2: This Bitcoin OG is Orange Pilling the Bond Market
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4.8 • 689 Ratings
🗓️ 16 April 2025
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
Pierre Rochard discusses Bitcoin bonds, his speculative attack thesis, corporate adoption trends, on-chain vs custodial usage, soft fork proposals, and how Bitcoin led to his spiritual journey. A comprehensive look at Bitcoin's present and future.
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Pierre Rochard, one of the OG voices in Bitcoin discourse, joins us to discuss his new Bitcoin Bond Company as the continuation of the speculative attack thesis that he wrote about a decade ago. Pierre shares insights on corporate Bitcoin adoption trends, the trade-offs between on-chain transactions vs custodial services, and why he's more open to soft forks than many Bitcoin maximalists. The conversation takes a personal turn when Pierre explains how Bitcoin's shift away from materialism created space for his spiritual journey back to Catholicism.
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Notes:
- Bitcoin bonds enable borrowing weak currencies
- MicroStrategy uses convertible bonds for Bitcoin
- Transaction fees crashed during bear markets
- ETFs reduce on-chain Bitcoin footprint
- Corporate adoption mainly from struggling companies
- Pierre has cataloged 22 soft fork proposals
Timestamps:
00:00 Start
01:36 Who's Pierre Rochard?
03:27 What's a speculative attack?
09:24 Current market outlook
11:48 Starkware interview reaction
20:45 Priced out of on-chain access
26:40 Arch
27:14 Corporate influence over protocol development
36:39 Corps buying BTC
39:34 Degens & speculation
46:05 Religion & faith
49:44 The virtues of soft forks
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | He sold his chair for Bitcoin, and now he wants to onboard billions and trillions of dollars into Bitcoin through Bitcoin bonds. |
| 0:10.2 | I have Pierre Richard, one of the most OG bitcoins and foundational thinker in Bitcoin discourse on the show today. |
| 0:18.5 | Welcome back to Bitcoin Season 2. |
| 0:20.2 | We're talking Bitcoin fees. We're talking Bitcoin fees. We're talking |
| 0:22.6 | block space. We're talking number go up theory. And we're talking about Pierre's views on Bitcoin |
| 0:27.9 | and it's modern day. And even Pierre's thoughts on soft forks. Is Bitcoin going to be okay? |
| 0:34.2 | Bitcoin Season 2 is brought to you by Arch Network, the platform building |
| 0:37.7 | bridgeless apps on Bitcoin. More on Arch later on the show. Let's kick it off. |
| 0:49.2 | Welcome back to Bitcoin Season 2. I'm Charlie with Block Space Media. I've got Pierre |
| 0:54.5 | Richard Richard in the house today. We're going to talk about all things Bitcoin, a number |
| 0:58.5 | of topics related to Bitcoin because this Bitcoin season two. Pierre, welcome to |
| 1:04.3 | Bitcoin Season 2. I'm glad to finally have you on the pod. Yeah, happy to be here. I've enjoyed |
| 1:09.6 | listening to the pod as well. |
| 1:11.8 | And so this podcast goes out on CoinDesk now, and it's like the only Bitcoin podcast on CoinDesk. |
| 1:19.7 | And so, like, while I think most people who spend their time consuming Bitcoin content all the time, |
| 1:26.2 | they know who you are. But there's a whole group of folks, the Coin Desk listener who stumbles upon this, |
| 1:32.9 | who doesn't really know the pantheon of Bitcoiners, who do you, how do you communicate |
| 1:38.3 | to that listener, who you are, and why we're talking today. |
| 1:42.6 | Yeah, sure. |
| 1:43.6 | So I'm a Bitcoin maxi. |
| 1:45.8 | I think that's probably what the Coin Desk listeners would best understand. |
| 1:54.0 | And that I've been in Bitcoin for now more than a decade. |
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