I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of

the most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time, taking time to be more fully present.

Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right

now.

So I want the world to know that when I am in my own personal crisis or when I feel like

I am questioning whatever is going on in my life, you are one of the first people I call.

And particularly now that Maya is gone, you have been such a solace and a balm for me

in difficult times.

And I'm wondering, Pastor Bishop T.D. Jakes, what's giving you strength in this moment?

You know, I have a resilient faith in God and in humanity and that has kind of steered

my compass through tough days and tough times.

And then I realize that everything comes as a schoolmaster to teach a lesson.

And I wanted to see-

I believe too, isn't all life experience here to show us who we are?

Absolutely, absolutely.

And to bring correction and redirection.

And I think this has been COVID, it should have been correction 19 because it's brought

a lot of correction to our values and to our sociological understanding of ourselves collectively

and individually.

What do you mean by sociological understanding of ourselves?

Well, I think that we have become too tribal.

We have divided into too many segments, millennials, boomers, blacks, whites, browns, Democrats,

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