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Hello and welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast from America Media for Saints and sinners.

You can join us each week for honest conversations about the Catholic Church in our world today, sometimes over drinks.

I'm Ashley McKinless, and I'm joined by Zach Davis.

And I am in seventh place in the office bracket pool. You're doing pretty well.

You're fourth. Yeah, I'm at fourth. Fourth. Not bad. Still early, but not as well as our producer,

Sebastian, noted fan of synodality, has named his bracket Synodology, which very funny, but only if you know that Bracketology is the study of brackets synodology, which very funny, but only if you know that bracketology is the study of brackets

synodology. Bracketology coined, of course, by Joe Lunardi, who is a former Jesuitical

guest as well. So if you're a basketball fan and a new listener, go back in the catalog. Check

that out. It's great. And this week we have a really great conversation with Bishop Michael

Martin. We always love talking to bishops when we have the chance. It's a great way to get to know

different parts of the U.S. church and to, you know, humanize someone that a lot of people in the pews

don't get to talk to one on one very often. No, oftentimes it's just, you know, during confirmation or experiencing

it through sort of different letters or appeals. But Bishop Martin's got a really interesting story.

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