All right, well, welcome to Law Talk live.

It's the first one we've ever done live.

And the first time that I've ever got to play Chief Justice by sitting up here in the middle.

Now, I may not be a professor. and you're right. I may not even

have a law degree, but I am today Chief Justice Richard, so just remember that when we're

arguing. This is a production of the Civitas Institute, the University of Texas at Austin.

I'm Charles C.W. Cook, and I'm here with John U. and with Richard Epstein.

Of course. All right. Our first topic will be birthright citizenship. Now, we have talked about

this on a previous edition of Law Talk, but since we did, we had oral arguments in the Supreme Court.

Richard, I'm going to start with you.

You have a book, I think, coming out on this topic.

So I want to know how you thought, from your perspective, the oral arguments went,

and if you're hopeful that the justices will line up with the case you make in your book.

Well, when I started the arguments, I began to weep. And when I ended the arguments, I continued

to weep. The question is, why is it that I was in such state of sadness on the outcome? I think

it's quite likely that the birthright claim will be upheld with respect to people

washing up on our source quite literally.

I actually think there's going to be a much closer boat, not sure which way the out will come,

with birthright tourism and the idea that people come from, say, Japan, go to Guam,

get their child citizenship, and go back home.

I think those cases troubled us pretty much more.

The substantive reasons why it is that I believe that this is that tragedy

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