Hi, and welcome to the Cato podcast. I'm Tommy Berry, the Director of Constitutional Studies here at Cato.

My name is Dan Greenberg. I'm Senior Legal Fellow here at Cato.

And I'm David Beer. I'm the director of immigration studies and the

Cells Foundation Chair in Immigration Policy at the Cato Institute. Excellent. And today we're talking

about birthright citizenship. What is it? Why is it in the Constitution? What is the current

dispute? Why does President Trump think it's been overinterpreted? What is his executive order

trying to do? And how did things go at the Supreme Court oral arguments just less than a week ago?

So, Dan, you and I collaborated on Cato's Amicus brief in this case, supporting, I would say,

the traditional view of the scope of birthright citizenship.

Why don't you kick us off and just tell us what is this controversy in basic terms?

Well, Tommy, we are just a few hours away from President Trump's truth on truth social.

He was talking about the Barber case, the birthright citizenship case,

and he explained that all the justices need to do is watch Mark Levine's show to understand

this controversy. He said, if they saw it, they would never allow that money-making hoax

to continue.

They should use their powers of common sense for the good of our country.

And what President Trump is talking about is his new executive order, which proposes that

we interpret the law and interpret the Constitution in a way that the country really

has never done before.

For, oh, goodness, for about 150 or 200 years, we have understood the 14th Amendment

to protect all citizens who are born within the borders of the United States to grant them citizenship.

And President Trump's executive order has a different understanding.

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