We're going to be talking in this hour with a friend Billy Hallowell,

who has written a book called Playing with Fire,

a modern investigation into demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts.

I find this stuff very important.

Billy Hallowall has been on this program number of times.

He's currently the director of communications and content for PureFlix.com.

Billy Hallowell, welcome the program.

Hey, thanks for having me and congratulations on the

book look you've done so much and you've written other books but what led you uh to a subject

uh like this playing with fire modern investigation into demons exorcism and ghosts what led

you to write a book about this you know it's one of the topics that I've always found fascinating, and it's kind of haunted me, right? So throughout my career in journalism, when I was at The Blaze, when I was at Faithwire, there would be these stories that would creep up. And sometimes it would be a Hollywood movie, like The Conjuring would be coming out. We'd be kind of telling the real story,

right, what the family claimed happened. And there was a story, though, a few years ago,

that really struck me. And it struck me because the evidence for it. Now I'm a Christian,

and I believe in these things. We know they're true. I think there's a lot of debate about how,

you know, evil manifests itself today and all of that. But this one particular

story out in Gary, Indiana, it had government documentation. It had people on the record talking

about the fact that they experienced these things, saw these things. And I'm not just talking

civilians. I'm talking, you know, police officers, sheriffs, CPS workers. And so that was the first time that I really

became a little more intrigued. And I thought, I want to cover this a little deeper. But, you know,

I always had a pause with this topic. And I actually had a book deal to do this. And I turned it down a few

years ago because I prayed about it and I didn't feel like it was the right time. This felt like the right time and I'm happy to go into more detail,

but it's just, it's something that God is sort of placed in front of me and I tried to escape it,

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