We're continuing to talk about Billy Graham and your memories of him, Pastor John.

The Piper family history is tied up with one particular controversy surrounding Billy

Graham.

And listeners may not know about this, so can you explain for us a little of what happened

between Billy Graham and Bob Jones and how did that controversy between them impact

your father?

From Greenville, South Carolina, where I grew up, there's a university across the highway

from where I lived, called Bob Jones University.

It's big.

I don't know, 4, 5,000 students, maybe I haven't checked more recently, a very strong and

very influential fundamentalist institution.

That's a word that they love and would use.

My dad was happy to call himself a fundamentalist, lots of people would call me a fundamentalist.

A fundamentalist is historically is not only someone who embraces all the fundamentals

of the faith, but has a doctrine of separation and defense of the faith that is fairly

militant.

George Dollar wrote a history of fundamentalism one time called the History of fundamentalism

and the cover of the book was a bio with a fist on it.

The subtitle was a militant defense of the historic faith or something like that.

That sense of being willing to fight, go to the mat, separate from people who are not

truly faithful, that marked historic fundamentalism into this day.

It does.

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