This is fresh air. I'm Terry Gross. Earlier this month, it became a lot easier to see Billy Eilish

and Phineas in concert, well, at least in concert at the movie theater. Along with filmmaker

James Cameron, Eilish produced and directed the new concert film, Hit Me Hard and Soft, The Tour.

Hit Me Hard and Soft is also the name of their 2024 album,

and its release was the occasion for the interview we're about to hear with Eilish and her brother

Phineas. The song Wildflower from that album won a Grammy for Song of the Year. Billy Elish and

Phineas O'Connell writes songs together. She sings on their albums. He produces and plays several instruments. They began writing and recording together when she was 13 and he was 18. Considering the number of records they've broken in the last few years, they became more than popular. They became a phenomenon. Their album, When We All Fall Asleep,

Where Do We Go, was the second in Grammy history to win in the major categories,

Best Record, Album, Song, and New Artist, all in the same year. Phineas was the youngest person

to receive a Grammy for producer of the year, non-classical. Billy was the youngest to win

two Oscars, one for the theme for the Bond film, No Time to Die, and another for what was I

made for from the Barbie movie. Phineas also has an independent career as a producer and recording

artist. Billy spent her teens in front of her fans and the press.

In 2019, music critic John Perales wrote in the New York Times,

Eilish, age 17, has spent the last few years establishing herself as the negation of what a female

teen pop star used to be. She doesn't play innocent or ingratiating or flirtatious or

perky or cute. Instead, she's sullen, depressive, death-haunted, sly, analytical, and confrontational,

all without raising her voice. Let's start with a song from Hit Me Hard and Soft. This is La Mour de Mavi, which is

French for the love of my life. I wish you the best for the rest of your life. Felt sorry for you

when I looked in your eyes eyes but I need to confess

I told you a lie

I said you

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