Hey, it's Bill Simmons. We taped something on the NBA on the BS podcast tonight. We wanted to double run it here on the

Ringer NBA show as well. You'll hear my dad because we're having a 70th birthday blue plate special

podcast as well as the Ringer's Kevin O'Connor and we were talking about Oklahoma City and the Celtics and who can make the title.

So we're double running it here just in case you didn't want to listen all the way to the end of my BS podcast as

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You use C. Keek go to the C. Keek app or download C. Keek dot com. Here it is me my dad Kevin O'Connor.

All right, on the line right now the Ringer's Kevin O'Connor wrote an awesome piece this week about Victor O'Ladipo, one of the hosts of the Ringer NBA podcast, Ringer NBA show and still in Boston, unlike my dad who's here in LA.

But let's talk about the old depot thing first because I think the fascinating thing about that trade and I thought it was a terrible trade.

I know my dad was upset about it because we didn't get Paul George, but

O'Ladipo had already been transforming his body, which you laid out in that piece.

And even before the Pacers made that trade, he had turned himself into an athletic specimen and he was already a really good athlete.

Do you think Indiana knew that he had transformed his body that way and that was one of the reasons they made the trade?

You know, I think that's kind of what got overlooked and I do think they must have had at least some idea of what he was doing that summer because he went to the extreme.

I mean, as a story detail, not just his body, but the steps he took with improving his game, there must have been some hint that a leap was coming.

Right.

But at the same time, like I feel like looking back at that, I mean, I was dead wrong about that deal as it happened.

I was like a ton of people were.

And I think the situation always overlooked too.

It goes beyond the body changes and the changes he made to his game.

He got into a great situation as well.

I think people overlook more than anything else in sports situations when they think about assets and with trades.

And I wrote about, you know, I wrote a big Westbrook piece last spring.

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