Ah, Benny's parents, thanks for coming.

Hiya.

So, Benny has really blossomed this term.

You're telling me, he outgrew his bike. We sold it, on eBay.

Oh, that's not quite what I meant.

It's free to sell on there.

Free to sell?

Easy too. Sold Benny's bike, your guitar, my jacket.

You sold my guitar?

Shall we talk about Benny?

When it's this easy to sell for free, you can't help but say when it's eBay.

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Welcome back for the conclusion of writer Bill McKibbin,

talking with Scientific Americans Mark Fischetti,

in McKibbon's home in Ripton, Vermont.

In some sense, and certainly not in the end of the book,

but here and there, and when you're talking about food, it sounds like you may, you might be talking about a switch from chemicals as the way to make farming more productive or more local, to information as a way to make farming more local and more productive.

And it's wondered if you could explain a little bit more about that.

Sure.

Bring up a solution to food.

Yeah. Farming, we've lived through this period when we told ourselves and everybody else that

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