Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. We have a little special

bonus segment in segment two today. Late on Friday, I talked to Stacey Williams, who I think is an interesting story as far as the victims of Trump and Epstein are concerned.

She was not part of the child trafficking ring with Epstein, but she dated him when she was in early 20s briefly.

And he took advantage of her in some really

creepy ways we discussed. But during that time, Epstein brought her to Trump Tower, where

Trump sexually harassed her. So get to hear her story and what she wants for the victims in segment

two. So stick around for that. Some of you have already heard that. We put it out on Bork Takes over the weekend. If you're not subscribed to the Bork Takes feed, definitely go check that out for more breaking news type stuff. But for the audio only folks, it was a really touching interview. So stick around for Stacey Williams. But up first, it's Monday. So we've got editor at large of the board, Bill Crystal. What's going on, Bill? There's an excellent Stacey Williams discussion, both thought-provoking in terms of how close Epstein and Trump were, how Epstein behaved, as you say, she wasn't directly involved in the trafficking ring with Maxwell, but a sense of how that might have gotten going. And also moving, really, to hear her. I mean, she's someone who

came forward at some cost to herself, right? She was like Epstein's girlfriend. I mean, she's,

but she lays it out in a very straightforward way. And it really, I mean, it's just part of a broader

thing. The degree to which the whole thing is repulsive and the degree of closeness between

Trump and Epstein, let's say, in the woman-chasing category

and to some degree sliding down into at least Trump's knowledge of the girl exploiting

child raping category, it's more than I realized even a month ago, right?

And I sort of followed this stuff a little bit, you know?

I mean, there's so many multiple cases where women are now talking about Trump and Epstein being

together, joking about it all. It's in nothing with the birthday card and everything.

And I think the two most relevant elements of it are just one kind of hearing for a victim about

what they want, right? And that sometimes gets lost in all this. I think that that is important.

In her case, talking about the kind of videotapes and wanting to know the truth about that. The other thing, to your point,

is just the corroboration of the Trump and Epstein story is, I think, super important, you know,

because essentially the story that Stacey tells the same as what Maria Farmer told, who reported this to the FBI in 1996.

I think, thanks to a commentary, I think I've misstated that there's so many Epstein victims here.

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