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The Bulwark Podcast

Bill Kristol: This Is Trump's Cover-Up

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 22 December 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

On the Epstein matter, the current DOJ is not just putting its thumb on the scale for Trump. It's his defense team. Make no mistake: The top two officials at the Justice Department are executing Trump's wishes to cover-up the victims' statements and the details about Epstein's 2008 sweetheart deal. It's the president's cover-up, and the mainstream media needs to call it for what it is. And over at CBS's "60 Minutes," Bari Weiss wants Trump to know she's on the administration's side as well. Meanwhile, Vance made clear at AmericaFest that he's cool with literal Nazis in the MAGA coalition as he readies for his 2028 run. Plus, Kushner and Witkoff are still doing Putin's bidding, the governor of Louisiana is adding the (pretend) invasion of Greenland to his portfolio, and Tim reads from the Monday Mailbag.

Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello, welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

0:14.8

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

0:16.2

Quick scheduling note.

0:17.3

We will have shows for you on this feed tomorrow, 1223, and then the day after Christmas,

0:23.6

Friday on the 26th. Then next week we'll have shows on the 29th, 30th and 31st, Monday through

0:30.0

Wednesday. We will be off on this feed, the board podcast feed Thursday and Friday, New Year's

0:35.6

Day in January 2nd. I'm taking my little

0:38.1

daughter to New York for her eighth birthday. So I'm not going to be podcasting on Friday next week.

0:44.0

Hope everybody has a wonderful holiday. And we're giving you enough material to give you a little

0:50.6

break from the family if you need it. I also should say if there's breaking news, I'm just kind of sitting around here through the first. So there's breaking news. Make sure you're subscribed to the Borg Takes feed. If we invade Greenland or something, I will be popping on there. And at the end of next week, Sam or JVL or Sarah will be popping on. So make sure you're subscribed to Borg takes as well. Also, at the end of the show, we're doing the Monday mailbag down for Bollock Plus members. It's a good gift to yourself this Christmas to become a Borg Plus member. So stick around for that at the end. But it is Monday. So we've got editor at large of the bulwark. Bill Crystal, what's going on, Bill? have a little cold like everyone else in the East Coast, I guess, but I'm fine. Thank you. I'm feeling great. We took the top off to Jeep on Friday here in Louisiana. Everyone's welcome to move to the south if they choose to, you know, and no cold down here. I talked to our friend Ron Rounstein over the weekend, the rest of the Galson. he's in L.A of, he loves doing this in the winter. He goes on, 68 degrees, just got back from the bike. And he goes out at a great length. And we're going out to lunch at a nice outdoor place. You know, we're sitting here looking at the kind of overcast rain 31 degrees. Anyway, it's good for your character, though. It's good for your character being up here in the Northeast. I disagree. My character's fine. I want to start, we got so much, and the craziness in Phoenix with kind of the MAGA crack up happening with the right-wing influencers we're going to talk about and some drama at CBS. And, you know, there's then actual news besides like the real housewives of MAGA.

2:18.2

We have actual news happening as well.

2:20.0

I want to start with Epstein, though.

2:21.6

When we taped this on Friday, we knew that the documents were coming out,

2:25.7

but we haven't actually seen anything from the government yet.

2:29.3

They put out the first tranche, and they're illegal required to release everything.

2:33.4

They did not meet that legal requirement. Put out the first tranche, and they're legal required to release everything. They did not, they did not meet that legal requirement throughout the first tranche of information,

2:38.5

a lot of redactions, a suspicious amount of Bill Clinton pictures and a suspicious lack of

2:43.4

Donald Trump pictures, given what we know is in the files, I would say. You talked to

2:47.9

Rokana, who's been spearheading this for the Crystal Live on Substack on Sunday. What's your take of what we know now and kind of where we're out in this quasi cover-up? Yeah, it is a quasi-cover-up or a partial cover-up, I guess, but it's still a cover-up. I mean, that's the key to say. And, you know, the redactions and then the fixing, the non-redactions and so forth is only the tip of the iceberg. The most striking thing is, and Roe made this point yesterday, it's really, I mean, the stuff that people really expected to see, wanted to see. And it almost is really virtually indicated in the legislation that was passed is what we need to see would include things like this.

3:24.5

The 60-count indictment of Epstein from 2008, which really lays out the real case against,

3:29.8

and they bargained it down to two counts and he pled in that sweetheart deal with Acosta.

3:33.4

But that is in there.

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